Guys love the history references but seem to pay little heed to the lessons of history.
Instead of humiliating or isolating would we not be best served bringing Russia into the circle in the long-term?
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Western Europe already conquered most of the World already, if you want to go back far enough in history. They never cracked the East.
If they get Russia will they stop there or point their eyes at China?
Itās fuck all to do with any ideology, or your latest bogeyman. Itās an escalation of an ongoing conflict, a failure to implement already negotiated settlements, nato expansion, strategic errors and previously predicted outcomes to warned against manoeuvres.
Since nobody else will state theirs, least of all our esteemed peaceniks, here are my basic terms for peace.
- All Russian military and political personnel, equipment, vehicles and infrastructure not already captured out of Ukraine
- 100km DMZ all along the inside of Russiaās western border and also along any other border who fancies it
Take the rest of it from there.
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I believe point one is achievable based on previous Minsk agreements where Russia lied and said they didnāt have anybody there. They canāt lie now after invading so the Minsk treaties could actually more binding. It would involve Ukraine agreeing to remove forces from the conflict area too, which they agreed to and didnāt adhere too, because of Russiaās lying.
The 100km DMZ could be a red line issue though.
I posted two months ago. Iād still loosely feel the sameā¦
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Youāve great faith in Vladimir and the lads
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Who needs cages to go diving with great white sharks. All you need is blind trust of the Timothy Treadwell variety.
Itās within Ukraineās remit to reach a āpeaceā but this will be short lived for Europe generally, unfortunately.
It isnāt up to us in the West to tell them to stop and we should support them as the next danger are Western countries. Thatās just reality.
Unfortunately that means a long period of Russia in the cold. Lots of talk of them being like a bigger North Korea but I donāt think it will be possible to hold it together.
One way or the other, Russia will have to come to heel. Whether thatās in six months, one year or ten.
This is NATO territory. It isnāt going to happen.
Baltic states are not going to allow it. Something like 1 in 3 people in Estonia are ethnic Russians, Russia has laws that allows them to use them as a pretext for invasion of those places.
Nope, itās completely to do with that.
Sure half the time you lads like to use āRussiaās concerns not being taken seriously by the Westā. Russiaās concern is their historical spheres of interests.
The efforts to turn this into an ethnic conflict are hilarious. Yes there are preferences on where Ukraine goes but again that is driven largely by self interest whether that is Western Ukrainians looking west and wanting some of that or eastern Ukrainians wanting to retain a special relationship with Russia. What happened in 2014 is down to those to poles but from Russiaās perspective that fundamentally comes down to the Eurasian dream and Russian imperialism.
And youāll concede that US interference in Ukraine is likewise in favour of US imperialism?
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The US has a long standing interest in globalisation. This has resulted in China (and Russia for a time) coming into the tent and an arguable reduction in US influence and power.
In fact under the John Mearsheimer view of the world the US gets more power if it agrees to allow Russia to maintain its āstrategicā position. Both can gang up and face down China then.
With the US the problem is that you can always find an angle to blame them on (like you are trying now) because they remain numero uno in the world.
It was a very simple question that highlights thereās more than one player with vested interests in the region. Nothing more.
All countries have an interest in global conflicts, particularly one on the doorstep of a military alliance they are in.
Again, if the US had agreed with Russia for a carve up of both of their interests and then turning on China you would be doing the exact same US bashing.
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Rightā¦ Yeah. Ok.
Yup, they do. Hence the need for foreign affairs departments.
Weāre talking about war and imperialism. Something the us is consistently caught up in. Youre watering it down to 'every country ā is plain stupid. The American war machine is a cause of conflicts ā¦
Ukraine profits by the ability to defend itself?
I donāt really understand your line of reasoning here, it seems to contradict everything else you say. Do you think fewer Ukrainians would die if they were left to fend for themselves?
We all know that.
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