Youâve repeated this regularly. Who are the select few? Youâve mentioned a few big south dublin families, the seemingly ubiquitous cushy irish language teacher gigs Iâd love to hear about, translators, and every bean an tĂŹ on the western seaboard. Who are these chosen few. Surely teaching through irish is more difficult if none of the kids speak it?
It was petitioned for by lobby groups, the ones I talked about. It was going to be left out.
Hundreds of well paid jobs translating things for nobody to read. God knows how many of them are in the Civil Service too.
If it wasnât for the fact that our primary school teachers are supposed to have a very high standard of Irish as it is Iâd suggest putting them to good use as teachers in the classroom.
Itâs a small percentage of people who speak the language fluently and daily. There is the occasional stat out there that shows X% speaks it daily but the proof is in the pudding out there. Youâll see very little engagement in the language day to day out there apart from a few areas.
You seem to think I am against the language. What I am against is the quite clear cosy cartel going. They absolutely let new people into it but itâs tightly controlled. The end game for Irish language lobbyists is not for people to speak the language widely as that would put them out of their job.
This is a fact. The state funded pupil teacher ratio in fee paying schools is substantially higher meaning less state subvention. There is not equal funding going to both.
In the case of GS they get more funding directly from the State. In fact Iâd say if you worked out the sums that GS and the lobby take a good share of the money that parents who choose to send their kids to fee paying schools save the State.
Why should irish not count as a minority language within the eu? It is one. Just because you dont like it?
There is a campaign to access services in ireland through irish. It is ridiculously difficult to access healthcare, insurance the legal system and most government functions through irish. The attitude thatâ ah can you not just do that stuff in englishâ is an exact follow on from the penal laws. Itâs a joke. Train em up. Id rather the translators were put to better use here than abroad but fuckit we should fight for every fucking thing were entitled to on the language front.
Not in the slightest. The Irish language has hundreds of millions poured into it annually but the lobby always has the begging bowl out. Maybe instead of pissing it up the wall on useless stuff not needed they could do some more practical things?
Again though thatâs not the intention. Cushy translator jobs is the goal of the Irish language lobby.
I also have to say it is disappointing that the lobby have allowed themselves to be used as a Trojan horse for many parents who perhaps donât want to mix with ânon Irishâ. The growth in GS mirrors the growing diversity in Ireland yet GS have few ânon Irishâ on their books.
The Irish Times ran a report a few years ago on the number of non Irish in primary schools in Ballymun. The bottom two are GSs.
Virgin Mary Girls National School: 18.1%
Holy Spirit Boys National School: 18.0%
Scoil NĂĄisiĂșnta An Spioraid Naiomh: 6%
Scoil NĂĄisiĂșnta Na Maighdine Muire: 10.7%
Bantiarna Na Mbuanna G: 31.0%
Bantiarna Na Mbuanna B: 17.8%
Our Lady Of Victories Infant National School: 28.9%
Scoil An Tseachtar Laoch: 0%
Gaelscoil Bhaile Munna: 0%
What utter fucking nonsense and conjecture. Bizarre lunacy. Fee paying schools get a pass on funding/equality and its all the fault of some nefarious irish lobby you cant quite identify. Itâs bean uĂŹ Chathasaigh down in Rosmuc running it all from the kitchen island. Sheâs the keyser sozee.
Ballymun is a hotbed of Catholicism
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Thatâs just pure speculation and assumption on your behalf⊠What we call scutter.
Is there a law forbidding the children of migrants from attending these schools?
How do they get a pass?
There are no countries in the world where there are not private schools who receive state money, despite the claims out Ireland being an extraordinary outlier.
What is strange in Western terms is that we have had a system growing so much in the form of GS that are exclusionary to non nationals.
Ballymun isnât outside the norm.
Over 10% of children in education in Ireland in 2016 were ânon Irishâ. Less than 2% were in GS.
For some reason the baptismal issue dominated the last decade when we have had full blown educational segregation on ethnic grounds growing before our eyes.
Perhaps itâs because elitists shouting the loudest like Una Mullally are a product of that GS system.
So we should give up Irish to keep non nationals who may move here happier ?
I disagree. Irish as a language is worth supporting and keeping alive.
Are there many private school kids in Ballymun ?
Itâs pretty clear. The number of migrants has grown and the number of GS has also grown.
Demand has shot up for schools that are less ethnically diverse. Itâs also well known that it can be challenging to teacher children with no English coming into the system (they can of course overcome that, theyâre sponges). The âregularâ free sector is taking up that slack. Indeed in private junior schools (who receive zero state funding) they are more ethnically diverse.
GS are not doing the heavy lifting on integration but ânativeâ Irish parents are rushing to them.
Itâs great to see Irish being so popular. I can see why it annoys you but you donât object for the reason you espouse. You object because you donât believe the Irish language and Irish games have any value.
Give up what? The Irish language has been supported for decades.
It appears quite a few parents of late have seen the benefits of getting inside the cartel and fleeing the less funded âregularâ system.
It has all the hallmarks of white flight/photo ID shenanigans that you see in the US.
Thatâs some takeâŠ
I think if the Irish language was more spoken then that would be great. I think itâs telling when funding and how things are done with it is questioned that lads windmill onto other matters.
Iâm not sure how a parent can in good conscience send their child to a GS given the below.
A Department of Education analysis of school enrolment for 2015/2016 shows non-Irish nationals accounted for 10.6 per cent of pupils in primary education. By contrast, among all-Irish primary schools, this fell to 1.6 per cent. A similar pattern is repeated at second level.
Yes but the popularity of GS now sees Paul Mescal and Dublin footballers who are fluent. That annoys you.
Itâs easy see GS are the way to support and keep language alive
Your argument is an argument for GS. They are clearly working to increase Irish speakers. Itâs a success.
Are there any Ukrainian refugees in Willow Park ?
It is alright.
10%+ non nationals is more than the speakers of the language here daily.
Ireland for the Irish thought according to the likes of him. The likes of @TheUlteriorMotive and other SoCoDu parents give themselves a pat on the back for not going private when they are promoting something far more insidious.