US Presidential Election 2020

Your problem is that I not only understand your “arguments”, I see right through as the bullshit they are.

Whereas you just shout “communist”.

Is your name McCarthy, by any chance?

You’re actually arguing that the way to win the election is by offering “more of the same”.

How fucking deluded would anybody be to believe that.

Warren was outstanding last night, closely followed by Bernie. They argued with passion, charisma, and empathy, and their ideas and policies beat the living daylights out of the useless corporate whoremasters like Delaney, Bullock, Ryan and the aptly named Hickenlooper, all of whom are standing on the wrong debate stage.

Warren and Bernie are prepared to fight. None of the other candidates are, and thus are useless.

Biden is the “more of the same” candidate. “I’m not Trump” is not a platform.

Biden won’t be in any trouble until a few of the other candidates drop out so the support against him has a chance of consolidating.

Biden is a foot in mouth merchant. He can’t stop making gaffes and can’t think on his feet. Harris made a fool of him last time with a basic question he should have been well briefed to deal with.

If he has anything at all about him, he’ll go on the attack against Harris tonight, but I expect he’ll be attacked from all sides, particularly by Tulsi Gabbard, who I think is an awful candidate and is basically a stooge for Assad, the Russiabots, and Narendra Modi, but she is well positioned to attack him on a lot of matters.

Warren hasn’t had a chance to debate Biden yet. I think she’ll destroy him when she does get that chance.

Biden’s third favourite for the nomination. So his poll leading numbers aren’t taken too seriously at the moment.

Biden is relying on two things: perception of ability to beat Trump, and his past association with Obama.

That is a very, very fragile foundation on which to build a campaign.

He isn’t leading on policies, he isn’t leading on charisma, he isn’t leading on anything else.

Warren has built her support slowly and steadily, the old fashioned way, through persuasion based on ideas, policy, competence, integrity and her qualities as a person.

Bernie’s support is based on something similar.

Warren’s support looks the most sustainable to me. I don’t see Biden’s support increasing, it will likely only travel in a downward direction.

Bascially he’s the Democrats’ Jeb Bush.

I have it like the bookies as a two way contest between Warren and Harris.

It could work out that way but it’s still very much a four way contest after tonight

Biden needs a big showing, a second poor debate in a row would be hard to recover from

Not sure how he does that though as he doesn’t have an inspiring central message that hits you in the heart and the gut, to run with

Of all the candidates, Warren has that in spades and is comfortably the most convincing debater when she speaks

That is what wins elections, it’s how Obama won when he was widely written off, it’s how all successful Democratic candidates going back to Kennedy have won

And Biden needs to not come out of this debate backtracking on some psuedo racist remark like last time.

Agree with that, the DNC don’t want Biden and the DNC will likely get their way.

Bernie is a socialist and the only reason he could have won in 2016 is because Trump was the most unpopular candidate who ever ran for president. Trump is now the incumbent, and regardless of the screeching from the permanently outraged, will be difficult to beat.

Warren’s problem is she has embraced all of Bernie’s platform, so although she claims she is a capitalist, she has the issue of having a socialist agenda. Taking away the private insurance of 170 million Americans and telling them the government will look after them is 100% socialist. Any politician proposing it in Ireland would be decimated, let alone America. That and immigration are the two issues Sanders and Warren will flounder on, most Democrats and literally all independents do not support open borders and giving free health care to illegals.

Harris is much more savvy than Warren and won’t tie herself down with policies that would lose her the national election. She will either be the candidate, or in the event he prevails, Biden’s running mate.

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She will be Bidens running mate he will win with 350 plus electoral college votes serve only 1 term and she will win in 2024

The entertainment starts in 10 mins on the left wing CNN channel.

:popcorn:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-trump-vs-dem-poll

Liz Warren and Bernie emerging as the big winners from this

Tulsi Gabbard has landed some big blows on Kamala over her record as California AG, Kamala didn’t like it at all

Biden has been very poor again, he can’t even deliver attack lines with any conviction, you wouldn’t even know they’re attack lines as he says them

Booker is doing the most damage to Biden and is performing best of anybody tonight, he could move into a Europa League place in the polls after this

Bad night for the Alt-Left dems

Wait a second, I know that name…

:smile:

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You forgot to mention that bit mate

Gabbard has no hope of winning the nomination

Neither has Booker who was the best performer in last night’s debate

Booker’s name keeps popping up as a good performer. He certainly has demographics working in his favour in a way that Biden and Sanders don’t. It’s almost surprising to have two “privileged old white men” even in the mix at all.

There’s going to be some hilarious carnage in the next few months.

The dems and the MSM thought that with additional fanfare and TV budget, that would highlight the brilliance of the dem candidates.

Sadly, for those guys, it has highlighted a lot of very weak candidates and a disturbing move to the hard left.

You’re looking at it the wrong way

Candidates who emerge from serious battles in the primaries have a much better record in the presidential election than candidates who are effectively anointed with little in the way of a battle

Clinton 1992, Bush 2000, Obama 2008 and Trump 2016 all had to come through big battles to win their nomination

Dole 1996, Gore 2000, Kerry 2004, McCain 2008, Romney 2012 and Clinton 2016 were all effectively the anointed ones of their party and most faced little serious opposition

The most brutal fight of all was in 1968 and had Bobby Kennedy not been murdered he would almost certainly have won the election

Whoever comes through this process will have emerged from a serious battle which should toughen them for the election

I watched last night’s debate, hard to see any of these become the next president. Joe didn’t make any serious gaffes so I think he came out of it best. I expected more from Kamala Harris but it was a very bad night at the office for her. It was a bad night for the other two women on the stage last night who both looked out of their depth. Tulsi Gabbard was one and the other a blonde lady. I must watch the other debate particularly to see how Elizabeth Warren performed.