I see the warmonger wants to ignore the West’s role in this.
He’s very quiet on war crimes by his beloved USA. His pivot from a socialist to a warmonger Big Sam right wing fanatic is Eoghan Harrisesque.
None of it.
I am not defending Putin. I am suggesting you look a little more deeply into the history of escalation between the US and Rusia, specifically on the issue of NATO expansion and US involvement in Ukraine. You are very much stuck on the neocon version of history.
1 Like
You are shouting names around now like an idiot because you can’t defend your pro-Russia points.
You are literally parroting pro-Russia propaganda that the west is to blame for this.
How?
Cuba is a communist country 120 miles away from Florida and the US has left it alone for the last 60 years.
You keep mentioning NATO, but you can’t explain how NATO has anything to do with this.
Ukraine wasn’t even in NATO! Ukraine was a completely neutral country in 2014!
Putin has literally told you that he denies the right to existence of a Ukrainian state and Ukrainian people!
You could be in the minority here. You would definitely have been a month ago.
None of it.
Yes, you are defending Putin.
The “NATO was to blame” fraud is a pro-Putin fake talking point. It is fiction.
Im unvaccinated myself now.
No asylum seekers have or are ever turned away or referred to the Gardai because of vaccination status. For blindingly obvious reasons.
1 Like
Calm down, it’s a little early to be getting hysterical.
Cuba is zero threat to the US. The question you have to ask yourself is what would happen if Cuba became a threat, like for example installing “defensive” nuclear weapons. But we don’t have to wonder, we already know because it happened and the world was on the brink of nuclear war.
I’ve explained how NATO expansion is a factor. You are advocating for a NATO war with Russia, a war between nuclear powers, and claim NATO isn’t a factor?
1 Like
I’m amazed if that’s true.
That we dont turn them away?
That people weren’t turned away during lock down.
People were but not anyone seeking asylum
Ukraine was zero threat to Russia. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were zero threat to Russia. Poland, Romania and Hungary were zero threat to Russia. NATO was zero threat to Russia.
You are throwing around insults to beat the band here because you can’t defend your position. Shouting bogus insults of “warmonger” around isn’t an argument. It’s what a child does.
Explain to me in plain terms why Putin considered NATO “a threat”. Explain to me in plain terms why Putin considered Ukraine “a threat”. Explain to me why Putin considers the EU “a threat”.
Explain to me why Putin considers everybody “a threat”.
They are a threat now alright because he has made them so by acting like Hitler.
For anyone wavering a bit about the good side of humanity the response from Poland in particular has been reinvigorating. While other countries are blathering on about ‘robust measures’ and not been ‘found wanting’ the Polish response has been meaningful, impactful, compassionate and constructive. Well over a quarter of a million have crossed the border already. World leaders in general are cunts but the people are great
14 Likes
If some rogue Rusky sees the Rossie, Tipp and Clare flags up on poles, will they get a visit from Vlad’s troops via Spanish point…?
I have never made an erroneous claim about anybody being a Nazi.
You on the other hand have thrown that insult around copiously at anybody who disagreed with you for years. And when you weren’t calling everybody else a Nazi you were calling them a communist.
I asked you why he saw them as a threat. You haven’t answered.
The Guardian publishes a wide range of opinion. As has been common practice by you for years, you link to one opinion article and claim that that is the editorial line of the entire newspaper. You couldn’t display a greater misunderstanding of how media works if you tried.
You’ve just said “we assumed Putin’s red line was a bluff”. You did. You are not “we”.
I’ve been telling you for many years what Putin is and you dismissed it each time. I’ve bene telling you since November this war was likely to happen and you dismissed it.
The US was blue in the face telling people Putin was going to launch this war. They were correct. You were not.
Again, answer the question as to WHY Putin saw NATO, the EU, peaceful countries on his doorstep as “a threat.”
When they were categorically NOT a threat to him. The whole of the west walked on eggshells around Putin for two decades, hoping he would just go away, and allowed his dirty money and disinformation penetrate and corrupt our politics and foster totally batshit beliefs in our societies.
You don’t answer the “why”. You never do.
2 Likes
Why won’t the Facsist Doxxer comment on why it’s ok for the US to back genocide and war crimes in the middle east?
It’s easy to see how insincere he is on this, he doesn’t care about the lives he wants gone with an escalation of war. Russophobia is his logic. You can condemn Putin and Russia but how can you claim its for a moral reason when you turn a bind eye to war crimes committed by the West and their allies.
It’s so cynical, a guy advocating for war 5k miles from his home and then ignoring the plight of muslims a little bit further east. The fact that The Doxxer’s multi account goes around making racist slurs against muslims tells you all you need to know about his mindset.
1 Like
Thread
The main post (I won’t link to it, because screw these guys): “The Russian army is using their guns. Right now they’re only shooting into the air.” Video shows a small crowd gathered in Ukrainian town. Shots fired. Cameraperson ducks down behind a car. 2/5
Here are the comments, in order, and with no editing: “Should have done it on the first day.”
“That’s the way. They don’t understand anything else.”
“A long time coming.”
“
”
“That shut them up. If only they broke up demonstrations in Moscow and Petersburg like that.” 3/5
“That’s the only way to do it with scum.”
“[Antisemitic image of Ukrainians]”
“If they don’t get it the nice way, we’ll give it to them the bad way.”
“The big boys really shat themselves.”
“Shame they didn’t shoot into the crowd, the Nazis.” 4/5
It goes on. Hundreds of comments, thousands of views. Russians who want to are seeking out these pockets of Telegram to share and encourage these deplorable viewpoints. Worrying times. 5/5
Why does he see NATO as a threat?
I have to head for more important matters, so this will be my last response for the day.
Because he is the effective dictator of (in his mind) a great world power, and sees the US as his adversary. He is stuck in Cold War thinking, a leopard does not change it’s spots (Except on TFK where posters can pivot from Jeremy Corbyn socialists to US neocons in an instant).
To him NATO is the US, and whatever you regard the US as, peaceful is not an appropriate word. Just since 2001, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen. We’ve spent $6 trillion on wars, I wouldn’t all that peaceful. It doesn’t sound like you value the lives lost in those wars, I wonder why?
You need to broaden your reading beyond neocons like Michael McFaul.
So. He sees NATO and any western institution which promotes actual freedom (which does not include the US right wing) as a threat because everything he believes is utter bullshit.
And because:
i) he runs Russia as a criminal mafia state.
ii) He is a blood and soil fascist who believes in the restoration of the Russian empire.
iii) Free democracies not just next door, but anywhere, are a threat to dictatorships because they offer far better lives for their people. And any people in Russia who are exposed to western media, ie. the truth, know it. These people are thus a threat to Putin.
It is instructive as to your morally bankrupt, decadent and depraved worldview that you place the blame for Putin’s evil imperial war of barbarity on NATO.
2 Likes
